Mountain Biking UK

I am 5′ 4″ and I ride a 13″ Jamis Diablo with front suspension (Rock Shox Indy XC). The bike is the right size for me and I know that Jamis also does an 11″ version. This is, I think, mostly sold as a trials bike. I am not sure how easy it would be to find a Jamis supplier in the UK as it is an American make and I have never seen an ad for it in Mountain Biking UK or in Mountain Bike World. Kona and Voodoo also do a small size bike, and they are both available in the UK.

 

Their frames seem to be measured slightly differently to normal and their 16″ frame is actually like anybody else’s 14″. Therefore, a 14″ Kona is probably like a 12″. The Kona and Voodoo bikes have a very steeply sloping top tube, which makes them seem even smaller. If you want to go really upmarket and spend a bit more, the Fat Chance Yo Betty is made specifically for smaller riders, with geometry designed for a small bike, instead of being just a cut down version of a bigger bike.

 

Good luck, I hope you can find something that fits and will let you get your suspension fork. I am 5 foot tall and have just bought a 14 inch Kona Lava Dome. Its great to have a bike that actually fits me after riding a too large frame for years. The Lave Dome seems pretty light after my old bike and well equipped (for £550). It dosnt have front suspension though. One local shop tried to talk me into ordering a 16 inch hybrid bike as they didnt have anything small in stock. Having tried a few bikes elsewhere, this would have been way too big for me. I remember placing my foot further back on the pedal to stop my foot slipping – far enough back in fact that the area of greatest pressure I experience when accelerating whilst standing is over the pedal spindle.

 

Also, one needs to keep the pedal almost normal to the pedalling force otherwise the foot will slip. I believe this is achieved by the greater ankling amplitude supported by Nick. Thus, I think that there are two factors which contribute to using a higher saddle position when not using toeclips or clipless pedals. Firstly, the foot is further back on the pedal effectively lengthening the leg, and secondly, the greater ankling required to stop the foot from slipping requires a higher saddle position. It would be very interesting to make a study of leg extension comparing these cases. I contest that it would be the This would explain why I feel most natural with the saddle-pedal distance on my old Molton noticably greater than that on my road or mountain bikes (both of which have clipless pedals). I keep telling myself to try lowering the saddle but I know it will feel cramped. Problem is it doesn’t fit well with the old safety advice about being able to put both feet on the ground while staying in the saddle of a town bike.

Power assisted Mountain Bikes

Due to an ongoing discussion in the rec.bikes.* chain somewhere last year(?), I took a Giant LaFree for a test ride a while ago. Short answer: It was “OK”. Personally…*I* wouldn’t splash out $1000 for one, but some people might. Like my 80 yr old dad. Built for smooth paved trails and the like. Good for rentals at the beach. Long answer: Its one heavy beast. 80lbs (incl battery)You HAVE to pedal it to make it go. The motor only assists you. VERY hard to get it over about 19 mph or so on the flat. The motor stop helping, and its too heavy to pedal yourself any faster.

 

It handles OK (for an 80 lb hybrid). Nothing too strenuous, tho. 20 mile(?) range. God help you if you run out of battery far from home. Bottom line: It’s NOT a MTB, but rather a beefed up hybrid with a motor on it. More or less a lite moped. Unless you have specific circumstances and distances that would preclude a regular bike, I wouldn’t buy one.

 

I don’t know of any power assisted mountain bikes, only road/hybrid things and they are mega expensive (and they look like girls bikes). There are a few products available that you can fit to an ordinary bike, an auxiliary motor to drive a wheel, if I can find any details I’ll post them for you. Many thanks for the assistance and advise offered. I have decided to leave mountain bikes alone, until I am fitter (No, I am not Fat, just bigger than I should be). I have obtained (as a present) one Powabyke Road Classic bike, which holds a better second hand value. Here’s looking forward to Mountain Biking in the future.

Lion King Mountain Bikes

I hate to point this out, but I believe that if you go selling a brand of mountain bikes (or anything for that matter) with the name “Lion King” you may end up getting nasty letters from lawyers hired by a well-known entertainment company based in Anaheim, California. Hard to believe, but these folks take the protection of their trademarks kind of seriously. It may not have made it to the Tehran Tripleplex yet, but there was a mildly popular animated movie by that name a few years ago. That being said, can I interest you in my line of Mickey Mouse derailleurs?

 

An Iranian mountain bike??? Well, it would be good in sand and never run out of fork oil!mark up isn’t really that high. On a $1000 dollar bike, shops charge from $100-$700 on top. It really depends on the shop, the manufacturer, how much the bike costs, shipping costs etc… Usually, bikes shops don’t have a lot of room to bargain. If you want a deal, ask for some goodies thrown in. A store would prefer to throw in some $60 pedals than give you a $60 cash discount. So, don’t haggle too much, bike stores struggle already as it is. Just ask for a water bottle and cage, or some other accessory. Maybe if you buy a helmet, bike, shoes, lock etc. all together, they’ll give you a sweet deal. standard (gross) profit margin on bikes is in the 30-40% range, which is grievously low compared to many other industries.

 

Most places will be willing to deal on ’98 models, but keep in mind, most bike shop owners make considerably less than most computer geeks. on bikes less than $1000 msrp, about 10% off is about as much as you can usually get away with, and that assumes that supply exceeds demand, which it often does, but sometimes bikes that really kick ass (like ’98 fisher genesis bikes) sell out quickly, so shop owners are less willing to deal if they know they can’t get more from the manufacturer until ’99. If the bike is already on clearance, don’t expect to get too much more discounted unless it’s obvious they really want to get rid of it, which may be the case with cannondales.

 

if you’re a pain in the ass customer, who takes long test rides on 6 different bikes, and has the shop swap out a stem or two to try different sizing, be prepared to just pay retail and enjoy the great service. in general, i sometimes find it better to haggle a smidgen less, and keep the good will of my local wrenching crew. Then they’re more likely to do things like pressing that new headset into the frame for free, while i wait, so i can finish putting my new bike together, so i can race it that afternoon. if you’re not super picky about the accessories you might need, ask them what they want to get rid of. They may offer you a killer price on something they ordered too many of. we used to do this sometimes back in the day, when i worked in a shop. -mark weaver

Mountain bikes on the road

Nobody in this group has the balls to admit it, but most mountain bike buyers use their bikes 95% of the time on pavement! Mtn bikes are SUPERIOR to touring bikes for touring for the average rider — most people don’t like to tour on those skinny touring bike wheels. Give me a 25 pound hardtail mountain bike with slicks instead of knobby tires for touring anytime! That’s why the touring bike market is continuing to shrink. Admirable flame bait… but I agree with you this time in one sense.

 

My route to and from work is a mix (I vary it each time) of road, cycle path and stormwater drain. On most occasions I stay out of the stormwater drain, and so I get to “mix it” with the road bike riders. Although I’m old and fat I can hold my own because of With my rigid Yokota Yosemite, this was a true statement. With my Joshua, however, I am actually embarrassed to ride on pavement. It’s such a poser thing to do. This sorta sucks when I go ride some jogging path with my girlfriend, who isn’t one for off-road ventures.

 

On the other hand, I’ve found that I’m getting out a lot more and hitting the dirt — on the order of twice a week versus once a month. So, even though I don’t ride to work or school anymore, it’s been an even trade-off. hammering through rough cycle path sections where they have to back off (like bumpy intersections) taking a couple of short cuts across median strips etc. Touring is much the same, I’ll gladly pay the small penalty on flat good tar so I get the benefit on potholes, dirt etc. etc. On the Big NSW Bike Ride 95 I passed a LOT of riders on road bikes who were walking (in their socks) up the steepest grades. I was grinding along on my lowest gear, Manitou 3s bouncing over the ruf stuf, and lovin it! Mind you, I don’t ride 95% of the time on pavement, not even 50%. My Velociraptors get a lot more work than my Hutchison kevlar slicks. I love to get off road, and of course here in Canberra it is always less than five minutes to some worthwhile dirt. I even like some excitement on my way to work, hence the stormwater drain route mentioned above. Anyway, what does it matter? If you’re spinning pedals and enjoying it, then all power to you, and I’ll reserve my pity/scorn for those who never get out there.

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Mountain Bikes used in the Chunnel

I saw on the History Channel that mountain bikes were used by the engineers to travel to and from the work site. I know this is a shot in the dark but does anyone have a picture of this? I write a newsletter for a local mountain bike group and have written a article about their use. It would be nice to include a pic too. I custom build Mountain Bikes. High end components, Shipped anywhere in the world. FOB Laguna Beach, California. Call if you are interested. Any make, any component.

 

I have, in stock, the new GT limited edition Mountain bikes. Also high end Trek and Klein models. I am investigating the possibility of importing good quality used mountain bikes to South Africa. New brand name bicycles are becoming increasingly expensive due to a poor exchange rate between the ZAR and US$. In my opinion there is a good market for good quality used mountain bikes in SOuth Africa. Please e-mail me if you think of selling your bike. Give full details of frame and components and, of course, the price

Cost structure of mountain bikes

I would have to agree. but in defense, most shops are scraping by. the pay, therefore, is not great. once you move from a non-living wage your sample gets narrowed really quickly. >bike shop can only carry so many bike lines. In part because exactly. how much can you carry? should you carry just because someone might want to shop. some shops aren’t allowed to carry stuff for a variety of reasons. and a lot of companies screw shops. huge minimum stocks and whatnot… dealers in certain areas).

 

Clothes I completely agree with you, but I suspect your real gripe is with bikes, and I also suspect most LOBs will order clothing for customers. clothes are really expensive to stock. most shops sit on those longer than bikes. and you have to stock 3 of each size of each color. it gets pretty expensive. what i wish is that places would or would not stock clothes. either do a good job or don’t bother. than mail order and web-based places.Fewer employees (and partly. say, “well, if the LOB was within 10% of the mail order place”. ask your LBS.

 

some will try and match. you have to keep in mind also that i see stuff sold below _our_ cost in mail-order. what do you want us to do then? why not ask pearl izumi or specialized why they do it… not a critism of what has been said. even as a shop employee i share these gripes about our store and other stores. but working in a shop gives a totally different perspective on all this…The cost structure is even more expensive when you look at it on a “cost per customer” or a “cost per prospect” basis. So what would be a “reasonable” difference in prices (or in your words, “competitive, price-wise”)?

 

I have seen people say, “well, if the LOB was within 10% of the mail order place”. And I suspect when the different cost structures are taken in acount, you see why so many LOBs are shutting their doors. Just one illustration… when I lived in Milpitas, CA (the next city up from San Jose, in the midst of the Silicon Valley, where lots of well-paid computer people work and live, and where lots of MTBers live and ride) there were five places you could buy a bike. The three bike-only places (what I call LOBs) all are gone, so the only place you can buy a bike *in Milpitas* is the local Target and Oshman’s SuperSports (gee, expect great service and selection at either of these places?). Sad to say, this is the future, unless we support the LOBs

Hybrid bikes

They are not as fast or agile as a road bike and not as strong as a mountain bike. Hybrids are nothing but a marketing gimmick. Cyclists should decide what type of riding they will do the most and buy that kind of bike. For fast road riding and road racing, a road bike. For city riding and off-road riding, a mountain bike. A good pair of slick, skinny tires will make any mountain bike a better and stronger machine than a hybrid. I can’t speak for the entire industry, but when Bruce Gordon and I built the first Rock ‘n Road, it was to fill a niche that seemed to need filling. I needed a bike that was a good utility bike.

 

That means the ability to carry things, lights, and perhaps fenders. I live in an area where the fastest route to the grocery store involves going first on a poor county maintained road, then down an abandoned narrow gauge rail bed that 4 wheel drives get stuck on from time to time. The RnR is of course as strong as most good mountain bikes. This may not be true for many other hybrids. It is lighter than most mountain bikes, however. It has a long wheelbase, long stays, low bottom bracket, and sucks on all the knarly single track, dude…. No shit.

 

The RnR is what I jump on to do errands, run around town, or go for a short ride. It is the bike that gets ridden the most, as a result. Other bikes are also good utility bikes as well.(Rivendell et al) Most road bikes will not accept large enough tires to make them that servicable in daily off road use. Most mountain bikes not that hot on the road. Putting skinny,slick tires on a mountain bike seems like teaching a dog to walk on its hind legs. Neat trick, but what is the point? The geometry is still the same, and you have all that suspension stuff adding weight. Dual suspension road bike, now THERE is a stupid concept that the marketing geeks can sink their teeth into. Oh shit, I think the Moultoneers have surrounded my house…

Know more about mountain bikes

Followups set to poster, as I do not read this group — but of course you are welcome to crosspost replies, too. I am looking to buy a basic mountain bike. I don’t require anything terribly fancy, and the main criterion is that the bike be durable (i.e., not shoddily made). I would anticipate spending about $250-$300. The problem is that I don’t know a lot about mountain bikes, and therefore I am looking for advice as to which brand to buy so that I don’t appear completely clueless when I go to the bicycle shop. I’d appreciate it if someone out there could drop me a note as to what kind of mountain bike might be appropriate.

 

Hi there, whatever you do – please avoid Huffy. You should probably have a look at Specialized, Trek, KHS or bikes like them. The first things you should make sure of is the brand of the tubes. Make sure that they are Tange, True Temper, or Columbus and that they are of a reasonable quality (at least chrome-molybdenum alloys). Also check the components.

 

The higher prize, the better quality. The better quality are of cause also the easiest to work with and adjust. Shimano STX is probably the cheepest you can liva with for a longer period. Try evt. to find a last years bike on sale. You often gets a good bargain on an older model and you don’t compromize the quality as much as by buing a brandnew with cheeper components.I’m shopping for some friends who are looking to get some mountain bikes. I’m the resident expert around here, so I’ll be the one making the purchasing decision — in other words, please reply directly to me. One of my friends is looking for a medium sized (18 to 20) inch mountain bike with Deore componants (something like a RockHopper Comp or a StumpJumper Comp).

Popularity of Gt mountain bikes

I ride in an area where I have encountered both horses and rattlesnakes on the trail. It is my practice to yield the trail to both. Following good MTB etiquette, I always shout ahead to the horse riders (still haven’t gotten any response from the rattlesnakes because they can’t hear  to ask if their horses are OK with bikes. The reply has _always_ been: “thanks for asking but my horse is fine with bikes.” I’ve ridden along beside horse riders having a chat with free wheel clicking away and the horse has never mistaken my DX for a rattlesnake. I’ll keep asking, but it is clear that a good horse rider can adapt a horse to bikes. Now if I can just find a longer frame pump that I can use to prod the sunning rattlesnake to get off the trail.

 

This is easy enough for mountain bikers to do, but I think there or other things that can be done that are much more effective. Slow way down and talk with the horse riders. I usually make small talk about the weather or whatever from some distance just so the horse can here my voice and realize that a human is approaching. Once you are close, ask the rider how to safely pass. Most horses in Annadel are just fine, but some people will give you special instructions on things that bother their horse. : Some horses will just freak out at the sound of a : freewheel, and can bolt with the rider.

 

I’ll preface my remarks here with a little information about Annadel for those outside Northern California. Annadel is about 6000 acres with about 50 percent of the park boundaries against the growing subdivisions of the city of Santa Rosa. There are many entrances to the park from these subdivisions. Residents, including families with young children regularly ride into the park. There are also a number of older folks who walk in from retirement communities. It is not uncommon to see the founders of local companies like Ibis Cycles and Salsa Cycles riding in the park. Last January, Greg LeMond and some of the other pros here for winter training camps where there riding. In short, it’s a busy place.

 

Not the kind of place to take a horse that freaks out if it hears a freewheel clicking and not the kind of place to ride if your bike training regiment doesn’t allow time to slow down. In my experience, clicking freewheels don’t cause problems with horses, at least not the ones I’ve encountered in Annadel. High speed bikers that lock their tires on the gravel can cause problems, not just with the horses, but with all the other park users. Any horse that is bothered by the sound of a freewheel shouldn’t be in Annadel. After all, real rattlesnakes are an issue up there. The last thing I would want if I was a horse rider is to have my horse pitch me onto a rock next to a startled rattlesnake.

Mountain bikes in Australia

I’m building a habitat for mountain bikes. Nothing but sweet singletrack, interspaced with fast fireroads, wild flowers to escort my climb to the heavens and a set of whoop-de-doos to launch me on my descents. the sweet scent of redwoods fill the air, a babbling brooke to rest nearby and have lunch with my riding buddies. the temperatures in the upper 60′s to 70′s, just enough to work up a sweat (goes with the wildflowers you know) and evaporate in thin air or the poor guy who happened to follow me too close; in which case it would evaporate into his nostrils. The sun peeking through the trees and lighting my way.

 

Man, this is mountain bike heaven. And guess what? NO MIKEY!!!! Yep, you’re off limits Mikey-boy. My Habitat would be enjoyed by all mountain bikers of all races and religions, small ones, big ones, short ones, tall ones, female, male, old ones, young ones, those that race and those that ride, up hill, downhill, flat ones, round ones. Gee, I sound like Dr Seuss. We have heaven here right on this earth and guess what Mikey, you ain’t part of it. Mikey.

 

I’d say you build yourself your habitat. Lock yourself in it and throw away the key. You’ll be happy in your little kingdom until your little friends decide that you are a tempting meal. A little sore tasting, but a meal none the less. A fitting end for an unfit person. Ride a bike Mikey, it may prevent you from an early demise. Yes, no doubt! I DO build my own habitat every single time I hop on my mountainbike. That’s what’s so great about mountainbiking, and that’s what Mike will never understand. We humans need our space to run wild, too, and without that what’s the point? I’m sorry animals have such a bad seal, but as far as I’m concerned, so do we humans. 2 hour drive just to get somewhere worth riding? I want sweet single track right out my door! More mountainbike habitat, more mountainbike habitat…