Negative effects of mountain biking

If other people would talk about these issues, I wouldn’t have to. I talk about them because no one else will! There is a “conspiracy of silence” among mountain bikers, not to talk about the negative effects of mountain biking, just like the “code of the streets” among gangs and the drug-using community. Many mountain bikers say they are very responsible riders. But (1) they keep quiet, when OTHERS cause abuses, making them complicitous, and (2) the wildlife don’t like “responsible” mountain bikers any more than “irresponsible” mountain bikers.

 

I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans (“pure habitat”). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Maybe no one else is because you are blowing the topic WAY OUT OF PROPORTION! And the “others” know that biking in the outdoors is a speck on the environmental damage list. You make it sound like every bike sold in the US is ridden off-road and in protected habitat. When we all know that 80-85% of all “mountain” type bike are never ridden off road! No one talks about it due to the fact that all of your “FACTS” are conjecture, opinions, delusions and basic tripeOther people do talk about these things, eunuch.

 

 

Does the name Terry Horton ring a bell? In four short messages he elicited more support and mountain biker outrage over an incident in Austin than you have in seven years plus of conducting your personal vendetta here in the ng. Please take a couple of years off and go sit at his feet, like an acolyte at the feet of a guru, and perhaps you’ll learn how to really accomplish something and gather support from within the “enemy camp.” Until that time, you will remain the environmental eunuch. I can certainly appreciate your wanting to create habitats that are untouched or “contamenated” by humans, but it will never happen. You cannot stop progress or the future. You can beat your head against the wall all you want trying to stop roads and construction but the simple fact is that those who advocate progrss in this country out weigh you both in people and political clout. You cant get back the last eight years of your life, but why not enjoy the rest of it. Give up this quest go buy a mountain bike and enjoy what is left there to enjoy before the construction destroys it all.

Cars for Mountain Bikes

Just got back from the show, and I gotta say that practically every manufacturer there included at least one car carrying a mountain bike in their showcase. A few notables: Jeep Wrangler “Mountain Bike Edition” a neon green Jeep with oversized tires, body cladding and an integrated bike rack on a windowless hardtop. About five Jeeps were outfitted with Jeep mountain bikes (cheapies). Subaru’s concept vehicle car/truck (remember the Brat?)

 

features quick release fork binders in the bed. Since Subaru is the official sponder of the Specialized Team, a few Specialized FSR’s were on display as well. Nissan Xterra of course features an optional internal bike rack. The Ford Escape, a new suv smaller than the Explorer had a vertical bike rack attached to the aluminum roof rack (sweet!). I’m not sure if they’re any good, but Mercedes and Porsche both had their own line of bikes on display. For some reason, Hyundai dared to be different and had road bikes on their cars.

 

All in all, it looks like Specialized won the bid with most manufacturers, no sign of a Trek/VW option, but the number of bikes present looks like a good sign of the popularity of mountain biking. t’s a great marketing ploy – someone in an office with a glass table has had the bolt of inspiration (between lines of coke) that if they put a mountain bike on the arse of their pathetic 4wd’s then the association will be made. It’s a bit like pavlov’s dogs, but simpler for the 4wd market – Mountain bike(US) = mental terrain(UR) Mountain bike(US) + 4wd(CS) = mental terrain(UR) 4wd(CS) = mental terrain(CR) …hence people will buy their 4wd’s. I say this because it is a given assumption that Joe Bloggs wants people to think he uses the thing to get off road, and not just to the shops. Marketing doesn’t realise that the best way to get your bike around is van/estate car.

Recumbent Mountain Bikes?

You will have a hard time finding about Coyote, it appears to me (this is me not some fact) that they make some DS bikes for Azonic, and a DH frame for Muddy Fox (if you live in the uk look at the muddy fox DH bike in the beginning of MBUK and compare it to the Coyote DH bike) and Azonic … and them badge them for themselves as well. I have had a Coyote DS mark 1 which was fantastic and have currently gotten a Coyote DH-3, but info about the bikes is limited Turner made a recumbent mountain bike a few years back, but I don’t know if it went into production. BikeE makes a bent that is fully suspended and is claimed to be a capable “off-roader”.

 

IIRC, someone on the recumbent group has one and gave a ride report on it sometime last year. A Google search should turn up that particular RR. I think it is a BikeE AT. Also, does anyone have any thoughts on these as road bikes? I just bought a BikeE CT 3 weeks ago to be used as a commuter and rails-2-trails bike. I really love the change. I was using my f/s mtb for commuting but it had its drawbacks for that. I will never give up mountain biking, but my BikeE is seeing a lot of use. It is smooth and fast.

 

Very comfortable. There are other models that are much faster due to rider position and profile and maybe more comfortable. I have not tried any other brand of bent as BikeE is the only dealer around and since they are relatives I got a super deal. The recumbent newsgroup has a lot of home made bikes on there and some of them are pretty impressive. There are a few made from muffler tubing and were manipulated into shape at the local muffler shop. These “muffler” bikes have generated some heated discussion as of late with some folks saying they are rust prone and heavy, but the few that were shown looked mighty nice and performed great according to their builders.

Used mountain bikes

It’s a sad fact that many mountain bikes never see dirt, but there are plenty, like mine, that never see pavement. So if you’re a woosy poser who likes to be seen round town but can’t cut it in the dirt, then get off this newsgroup and go insult someone else. Have you ever thought that no-one here talks about riding on the road ‘cos no-one wants to?

 

And then there are some of us who would love to be able to ride the trails all the time but have a fulltime job, family responsibilites, etc. and we have to ride on the road sometimes. I do ride on the trails at least 1-2 days a week but some days it is impossible. It’s a sad fact that many mountain bikes never see dirt, but there are plenty, like mine, that never see pavement.So if you’re a woosy poser who likes to be seen round town but can’t cut it in the dirt, then get off this newsgroup and go insult someone else. Have you ever thought that no-one here talks about riding on the road ‘cos no-one wants to.

 

Then again there are some of us who ride the asphalt and have to dodge cars which cross the center lane purposely trying to hit you, or those who would love to BUMP you off the road. I’ll bet riding on the streets of Guam would be a lot more challenging than some of those trails. (not to say that there are no other place with STUPID drivers.) I’m just peeved that my bike and I became hood ornaments because some idiot decided he could drive on the wrong side of the street, then I get home and read that I am named a woosy poser. When I get my bike fixed and my digital camera, I’ll show y’all (on my web page) the awesome but somewhat dangerous trails available on guam. By the way, I am looking for a marin rift zone or a cannondale v500 (I think) the 96 model, I believe it runs around $500 – $600? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Why can’t I demo mountain bikes?

I’d like to get a new full-suspension mountain bike, but riding one around a parking lot doesn’t allow me to evaluate it properly. Why don’t dealers provide some demo bikes to stores so you can take one out on the trails and see what you think? Does anyone do this? It would seem like they could rent a demo for a few hours at a time, and sell it at the end of the year. While I’m at it, I’m thinking of getting a Rocky Mountain Element T.O. I like cross-country with tough uphills. If you’ve ridden one of these that way, what did you think? Tom Scheer wrote in message …

 

I’d like to get a new full-suspension mountain bike, but riding one around a parking lot doesn’t allow me to evaluate it properly. Why don’t dealers provide some demo bikes to stores so you can take one out on the trails and see what you think? Does anyone do this? It would seem like they could rent a demo for a few hours at a time, and sell it at the end of the year. Many dealers do. Here in the south bay area (of Cal), at least four of the LOB’s I contacted had loaner bikes from Cannondale, Trek, Santa Cruz, and Klein. In addition, Ventana was going to have some sort of “demo day” at a local riding place. I suspect that as more and more people buy bikes via mail order and as used bikes via the internet, LOBs are going to start offering less in the way of “demo” opportunities.

 

Hopefully enough people will support the LOBs that offer such services by *buying* bikes from them. Actually a few companies do have demo bikes. Dan got to try out an Ibis Bow-Ti back in August (at no cost). He took it out to one of the local trails and gave it a serious workout. By the time he finished, the suspension he had described as “squishy” when at the store, had become instead “plush”. Although we had decided that there will be no new bikes this year (he’s got a ’97 XTR Homegrown), he now has major bike lust, and would probably buy a Bow-Ti, given half an excuse and a quarter of an opportunity. Seems to me that it would be to the manufacturer’s benefit to provide demo bikes, because, as Tom said, you can’t properly evaluate any bike, let alone a high-end mountain bike, by riding it around a parking lot.

Mountain bikes vs. hybrids

I am looking into getting into biking. My wife and I plan to ride on paved and crushed rock bike paths. I have been told that hybrids would be perfect. I’ve also been told that hybrids are good for nothing and we’d be much better off putting road tires on a mountaiGet a bike that feels comfortable to each of you. If a hybrid feels best, go for it. If you find a mountain bike that really seems confortable, get that. It doesn’t sound like you will need a bike that is unusually tough or has superior clearance or shock absorbtion, so you aren’t really locked into anything.

 

Even standard road bikes should work quite well for you if you don’t go with especially narrow rims and tires. First, I’ve never driven a hybrid so I don’t really have the feel of one because 2 years ago, I decided to buy the Bridgestone’s BR-2 road bike over their OX-2 hyrid even though I could of had a deal on the Hybrid. Last winter, I bought an entry level MTB at a 30% off sale and then got out the earliest in the spring I ever had, riding through muck, corruption, snow, and I had a great time. Bar ends make them good eneough for road work, as well as being the best for off road and spring conditions.

 

I bought a good mid-range MTB last summer and built 2 new wheels (more for the experience than the necessity) to use road tires on. They only time, I’ll use my road bike now is for riding in a group, or trying more than a 100 miler or something. If you stay on paved and dirt/crushed rock trails a hybrid should do you fine but: 1. you will be much slower than a roade bike and 2. you would be ill advised to try any “real” off road stuff. The Kid and I have road bikes for road work and mountains for off road. The kid is 8 and has smoked hybrids on the road and last fall we rescued a hybrid biker in the woods who had tried trails that neither the bike or he was ready for. (He had seriously smashed goodies.) n bike

Report on mountain bikes

I am in the 9th grade and im doing a report on mountain bikes or just bikes in general….this report is about geometry in bikes……it is supposed to be 2-3 pages and i dont know if there is enough information to do a report like this. I know alot about mountain bikes as i ride alot (i have a Mongoose Team SX) but i dont know alot about bike geometry. Could you please tell me where (books, web sites, etc.)

 

I could get some info about this topi am in the 9th grade and im doing a report on mountain bikes or just bikes in general….this report is about geometry in bikes……it is supposed to be 2-3 pages and i dont know if there is enough information to do a report like this. I know alot about mountain bikes as i ride alot (i have a Mongoose Team SX) but i dont know alot about bike geometry. Could you please tell me where (books, web sites, etc.) i could get some info about this topic. thanks in advance. I don’t know any electronic sites but a good start is Chapter 2 (Frames) in _Bicycling Magazine’s Complete Guide to Bicycle Maintenance and Repair_. Most bookstores seem to have it in stock and it wouldn’t surprise me to find it in libraries either. c. thanks in advance.

Lance Armstrong Racing Mountain Bikes

Along the same line (sort of), Dave Johnson (remember Dan and Dave, the decathletes?) is also racing mountain bikes. He won the beginner race (in the Clydesdale division…interesting) at the Mt. SAC Fat Tire Festival here in SoCal. .I noticed today while reading the newsgroups from Google, that whenever I look at any of these silly Vandeman generated threads, that Google now has a bunch of mountain bicycle websites listed as it’s sponsors.

 

All that means is that mountain bike websites have to PAY someone to put their site near the top of the search list, because otherwise, they won’t get enough traffic! You guys are just as stupid as your reputation says you are! I guess Google is hitting on the keywords “mountain bike” to figure out what it thinks I want. So Vandeman, whether he likes it or not, is increases the number of mountain bikes out there, ever time he cross-posts excessivily. Google should send him a pay check for all his tireless help in promoting the sport.If there is 2″inches of cleareance with both tires off the ground, the bike should fit. Any less means it’s too big and any more means it’s too small.These bikes are not warrantied by Cannondale Corp. They were originally slated for a Chineese distributor and were diverted to Price-Costco clubs. Cannondale has (I believe) taken action against the distributor, but I don’t think that they can keep them out of the stores. I really would recommend against buying one. For one thing, you would be supporting these lowlifes who fooled C-Dale, and if you ever need warranty work done on any of these cycles, you are SOL.

Dusty day of mountain biking

My Panamint style Rattler (Braised Rattle Snake with Green Chile Sauce) was created one night while listening to the Coyotes howling on a blistering cold, dark, and moonless desert autumn night. The sky was alive with more stars than the eye can possibly behold. It was early in the evening, comet Hale-Bopp was filling a quarter of the sky (the desert sky is awesome!). The fire was warm, the wine cool, and the company (my MTB’ing family–the whole “famn damily”) simply splendid! After a long, hard, dusty day of mountain biking; the crispy cool desert winter nights call for robust (yet low fat and easy to make) dinner dishes like this one: Rattle Snake steaks simmered with bell and mild chili peppers in an herb-onion base. We enjoy them in warm flour tortillas. But you can also serve them over either steamed rice or hot buttered noodles. Top off each serving with my cilantro-yogurt mix, tomatoes, lime wedges, and finely chopped green onions (or scallions).

 

Although the robust flavors overpower most white wines, a good well chilled Chardonnay (Obester, 94) will hold it’s self well. Since we usually drink reds, we split 8 bottles (well, there were 6 of us…that’s why the cooking part always takes us so long…) of excellent Pinot Noir from Rick Motion vineyards (Russian River appellation). For dessert, let me recommend the baked brandied apples flambĂ©. 1 large onion, chopped 2 cloves garlic, minced or pressed 1 8-10 inch twig of fresh rosemary (or 1 heaping teaspoon dry) 1 teaspoon mustard seeds (I prefer yellow, but any kind will do) 2 tablespoons of olive oil 1 cup chicken broth (low fat and salt if available) 1 8-12 inch twig of oregano (or 1 heaping teaspoon dry) 3/4 teaspoon ground cumin 1 tablespoon (or a bit more) Balsamic vinegar 2.5 – 3 pounds of skinned fresh rattlesnake (about 40in. “in the round”) , cross-sliced into 1in.

 

thick pieces. 2 large green (or red or yellow) bell peppers, seeded and chopped 1/2 cup coarsely chopped Cilantro sprigs. 1 or 2 mild green chilies (or 1 – 7oz. can if fresh is not available) In a 5 or 6 quart camp pot, combine onion, garlic, rosemary, mustard seeds, and olive oil. On high heat; sautĂ©, stirring constantly until the onions begin to turn translucent. Add the broth, oregano, and cumin. Bring to a boil over high heat. Boil, stirring occasionally, until liquid evaporates and onion begins to brown (7 – 12 min. or so). When it begins to brown, add a couple of tablespoons of water and stir to loosen the browned bits (this is called deglazing). Cook, stirring occasionally, until liquid evaporates and onion begins to brown again. Repeat the deglazing step, until the onion is richly browned.

Mountain Biker Logic

Wait just a minute, so bikes do more damage than horses due to more bikes. Man, you are a twit. What about a ranch that has 200 horses and one owner? I can own 20 bikes but I can only ride one at a time while a ranch owner can let all of his horses run all they want and they will. Once again speculation, hear-say and opinion from you MV. Why don’t you stick to proving that Mexican people prefer Mexican food! First of all your bike does absolutely no good to the terrain it is operated on. A horse will at least aid in improving soil texture and flocculation. You can view the horse as a walking mulcher and soil cultivator.

 

Now also look at the great variety of insects and animals that benefit from the horse. The horse sheds hair, which birds utilize as nesting material. Also there are insects (i.e. manure bug) which utilizes the horse manure as the growth media for its offspring. It does it by depositing the eggs in a ball of manure, which it kneads and buries in the ground. As far as nutrients the horse manure contains micro as well as macronutrients. Mainly nitrogen, and phosphorus which is necessary for biological growth of forage and other plant materials. In mountainous regions the horse will actually help keep shrubs from overpopulating the grasslands by suppressing the growth of pest shrubs and small trees.

 

The horse will stomp around with four hooves. The weight is equally distributed on the hooves, which exert minimum compaction forces on the soil. On the other hand, your bike is taken on the so-called trails. Your body exerts a much greater force on the tires, which in turn compact the soil. The horse will at least travel between shaded and grazing areas incorporating its excreted nutrients on the soil as it travels through it. The horse will also aid in increasing infiltration of water in the humus materials, yet incorporating these humus materials into the soil. Even other birds will benefit from some of the parasitic pests commonly seen on wild mustangs as well as domestic horses (i.e. ticks, fleas, and flies). Can anyone tell me how wild animals will benefit from a bike? I think it is wrong and idiotic of anyone to assume that an animal does harm to the environment.

 

Even in a sandy soil corral where a large number of animals are sustained (which can and will develop high BOD5 concentrations on it) the horses will improve the texture of the soil. Also if you abandon these site, it will soon return to the natural habitat with native vegetation. The exception to this is a CAFO operation where the density of animals far exceeds the biological demand of the soil. I encourage people to stop flapping their gums in a stupid way and stop and read what they are trying to convey to the rest of the world. If you consider the laws of thermodynamics as well as the laws of physics, a horse will do better. Hence energy can neither be created nor destroyed only transferred from one form to another. A horse will at least render energy back to the environment both during its life and once it is dead, while your bike will only pollute it more.